Pillion seat retention after removing subframe mega threadfest!

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hogasus

Discussion Starter · Jun 10, 2014

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Removing rear foot pegs - altering seat

I removed the bracket that holds the rear foot pegs, only to find that the rear seat pad would no longer sit right.
The solution was to cut a portion of the bracket that holds the front part of the seat and reattach it to the frame. I searched the forum and nowhere does it mention this extra step in order to reattach the rear seat.
See the pictures below.

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EliZ

· #2 · Jun 11, 2014

hogasus said:
I removed the bracket that holds the rear foot pegs, only to find that the rear seat pad would no longer sit right.
The solution was to cut a portion of the bracket that holds the front part of the seat and reattach it to the frame. I searched the forum and nowhere does it mention this extra step in order to reattach the rear seat.
See the pictures below.

I went though the same ordeal on the weekend. Instead of cutting the bracket I made one using some flat steel I had laying around. If you have a welder and a drill its quite easy and took about an hour.

street

· #3 · Jun 11, 2014

The pillion is designed to sit on the removable subframe. That's why it doesn't fit without the frame. I hope you're not planning on using the pad for anything but covering the rear of the bike. It can't support the weight of a passenger without the frame.

zugvogel

· #4 · Jun 11, 2014

ha, I have not noticed that before. I finally got my exhaust hanger and the tail bag assuming that I could use the tail bag without the subframe.
Thanks for pointing this out, i guess I have to do some cutting now. I really don't like that idea.....

street

· #5 · Jun 11, 2014

zugvogel said:
ha, I have not noticed that before. I finally got my exhaust hanger and the tail bag assuming that I could use the tail bag without the subframe.
Thanks for pointing this out, i guess I have to do some cutting now. I really don't like that idea.....

The manual has the load rating without pillion subframe. I think the bag is okay unless you're carrying a lot of beer.

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mrkiemrk

· #6 · Jun 24, 2014

Buddy Seat without buddy footpegs

Help!

My bike is almost ready but we have an issue.

I don't want the frame that has the buddy's foot pegs but I do want the buddy seat. I'm 1,90m long and I can not have the hump.
Without the frame the buddy seat can not be attached because I miss a plate and the piece that holds the front of the buddy seat.

The dealer is willing to cut the frame but when I want to ride with a buddy I need to buy a new frame for 450 euro's.

Who has an idea? I'm thinking about finding someone who can make a steel piece for me but if there might be an easy and quick solution to this...

Whyara

· #7 · Jun 24, 2014

There is a guy in the german forum who has made a steel piece exactly for this !

cherry street

· #8 · Jun 24, 2014

Whyara said:
There is a guy in the german forum who has made a steel piece exactly for this !

would you have the link?

Whyara

· #9 · Jun 24, 2014

http://www.ninet-forum.de/kombination-soziussitz-ohne-soziusrahmen-631.html#post6758

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mrkiemrk

· #10 · Jun 25, 2014

Thanks, ill check that Germain option. Made a temp solution from aluminium.

Whyara

· #11 · Jun 25, 2014

There is one for sale from a member who crashed his 9t:
http://www.ninet-forum.de/halterung-f-r-soziussitz-ohne-heckrahmen-916.html#post9263

mrkiemrk

· #12 · Jun 25, 2014

Thanks for the tip!

Duds

· #13 · Jun 28, 2014

Mrkiemrk I've found that you can just use a small piece of alloy plate to secure the front of the pillion seat.

Excuse this next bit of garbled explanation but I'm not with the bike so can't take a photo.

You just need to slide the plate (approx size, 3cm x 3cm x 1mm thick) under the slightly curved plastic part of the front seat locking mechanism. The bit that's bolted to the frame cross tube with two polished stainless torx fasteners. Bend the plate down slightly until you can just get the pillion seat front retainer to slide under it and then fasten the rear seat mounting bolt as you would normally.

My only observation would be that due to your height it sounds like you're intending to sit on the front edge of the pillion seat. Without the rear sub frame I believe this is only rated at an 8Kg load.

mrkiemrk

· #14 · Jul 3, 2014

My butt is just over the space between the seat and the buddy seat. When I would place an egg I will not have the room to slide backwards that 1-2 cm's. The 8kg is not the issue. The weight is on the seat.

I did check the germain site but, with my limited understanding of the Germain language, I understand that they are out of parts.

Regarding the Steele plate option.. I am very interested to see a pic of the plate. My imagination is to limited to get a good view of what you are suggesting. I'm going on a 3000km road trip soon. I need a more sturdy solution than the setup I have now.

Duds

· #15 · Jul 3, 2014

I'll try and upload a photo when I get back to the uk on Wednesday as I'm away from the bike at the moment.

Duds

· #16 · Jul 10, 2014

Photo to show what I was trying to describe in the earlier thread. This is just a temporary plate but shows one possible low cost solution to securing the rear seat.

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Supertramp

· #17 · Jul 10, 2014

removed my subframe and my buddy seat isn't secured down with anything but the grab strap. Ride with my ass over it all the time and its fine

mrkiemrk

· #18 · Jul 10, 2014

Duds said:
Photo to show what I was trying to describe in the earlier thread. This is just a temporary plate but shows one possible low cost solution to securing the rear seat.

Thank Duds, that's a wonderful simple solution. I love wonderful and simple!

I have the idea that the one screw that's holding down the seat gets loose because of the vibration. Guess I need to invest in LT Blue..

johnmweiss

· #19 · Jul 13, 2014

Homemade bracket

After looking at Duds solution, I bought a 16 gauge metal stripping from the local hardware store. I created the bracket shown in the picture. Two strips following the frame where the sub frame was attached and one strip across to allow the pillion seat to catch on. I used some machine screws to hold it together, and mounted it with the screw head down. This brought the homemade bracket up a bit more for the seat to catch on. It's very sturdy and the seat doesn't wobble.

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mrkiemrk

· #20 · Jul 13, 2014

Hi john,

Looks great and sturdy.
What's the width of the strip going across?

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