There is no competition to Ninet.

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Lelc2

Discussion Starter · Apr 18, 2021 (Edited)

Ducati Scrambler, Triumph Thruxton, Indian FTR, Moto Guzzi V7/V9 etc.

All of them are just below Ninet.

Ninet = 1200cc /110HP (euro4), 17L Steel Tank provides good range (18L? aluminum), wired throttel (euro4)*, dry clutch (clean oil for motor and not mixing with gearbox etc), cardan/bevel transmision (not dirty chain), 180mm rear tire, alloy rims or tubeless spoke rims (UGS even new Roadster euro5?), 320mm brake discs, Brembo brake-calipers, self supporting trellis chassis. Single swingarm (Beautiful wheel view)...etc

There is no bike with all of this on the whole.

Then Ninet is not only a beautiful bike. It´s enough fun, enough easy, enough comfortable. It is a well balanced bike. You can use for commuting, for travelling or what ever you want.

The only real limit is pillion. But others kind of classics bikes have the same problem.

*New electronic throttel euro5 Ninet I recognized don´t like. I think Ninet lost a bit of his essence and soul but in the end I will choose Ninet again because others bike have already electronic throttel too.

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TimC

· #15 · Apr 19, 2021

I love the enthusiasm, @Lelc2 !! And after seven months of ownership and about 4,000 miles on my 2020 Pure, I'd mostly agree with you. I checked out many new and used motorcycles before buying my R9T, and test rode several. I almost went with one or two other bikes, but loved the character of the R9T, and the looks of my Pure in particular. That being said, it's not perfect but I'm starting to love it. I rode through some rain today on my way home and got soaked. I'm hoping not to catch a cold, but even after being miserable for the last 30 minutes coming home, I can't wait to get out on my Beemer again!

As for competition, folks above have already offered alternatives, and I'd have to agree with them. Several manufacturers make models which are at least similar to the R9T, if not direct competitors. Triumph and Ducati are probably the closest. But there are pros and cons to each bike in this segment. Looking at the whole package, however, I'd rather have my BMW than any of the competing bikes in its class.

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TimC

· #27 · Apr 20, 2021

I'm always amazed how many R9T owners also own (or have owned) Ducatis and Triumphs - and Thruxton Rs in particular. In the VFR scene I came from, many folks had owned multiple VFRs, plus some other makes, but definitely more Big 4 bikes (Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki, and Yamaha) than European brands.

Part of it might be geography, as there are more European members here than in the VFR crowd, and the VFR is maybe more common to North America (though there are plenty in Europe and elsewhere, too). But I'm guessing the real reason is R9T owners (and maybe BMW owners in general) prefer bikes with more character, and many European bikes have more of that than their Big 4 counterparts. "Character" was certainly high on my wish list while bike shopping over the last year, and I passed up a few bikes I liked, but which lacked it. I might want a more mundane bike someday, but my R9T really fit the bill this time around.

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TimC

· #33 · Apr 21, 2021

JohanH said:
No competition from Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki or Kawasaki?

I think there are a few Big 4 bikes that compete with the R9T, but in my opinion they are more similar to each other than to the R9T. Not to say they're better or worse, but different, starting with the engines, most of which are inline 4s. While bike shopping the last couple years I looked at a couple of the standards/naked sportbikes from the Big 4, but none really fit the bill for me. Of the bikes in this segment, the only one I liked enough to buy was an R9T.

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TimC

· #45 · Apr 23, 2021

Retjustdad53 said:
In 2016 I had a slightly modified Zx1400R with just over 200 horsepower at the rear wheel and rode briefly on the street after running 196 mph at Bonneville. For me the Zx1400R was way too much for the street....you have to be thinking a lot further out to stay out of trouble.

The problem for me using the same amount of throttle that I use on my R9T got me in license revocation territory a lot.

I just found I happier being able to use most of my horsepower all the time more fun than only being able to use small amount of my big horsepower hardly any of the time.

My previous bike, a 6th gen. Honda VFR, had about 100 hp. Even loaded for touring (solo rider, no pillion) it was enough for me. The R9T has about 110 hp, but more torque than the VFR. And it's still enough for me. Straight-line speed can be exhilarating, but also quite expensive when you get lit up by the police. Besides, I'd rather go fast (Well, fast for me anyway.

) in the corners, and the power on tap from my boxer twin is more than adequate.

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TimC

· #60 · Sep 14, 2021

JustABill said:
Before buying, I thought those would be issues as well. I had the second clock add-on in my budget, but held off. Now, I am enjoying that it drives a stronger connection with the bike as I ride. To each, their own.

I added the OEM tachometer this spring, and I really like having it. When I bought my R9T Pure a year ago I didn't think I'd miss having a tachometer too much, and I've never had a gear indicator on a motorcycle, so no biggie there. But there were so many times I tried clicking up a gear on the freeway but was already in 6th, or tried to click down another gear coming to a stop but was already in 1st. I could still live without it, but I'd want either a tach OR a gear indicator, and it's nice to have both. Plus it's kind of entertaining thumbing through the different screens on both clocks.

By the way, I bought my second clock kit slightly used here on the forum. Avoid buying brand new from the dealer if possible, and you'll save money. Actually, that goes for many different mods!

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TimC

· #64 · Sep 15, 2021

midnaite said:
My dream meter would be a analog rev counter with LCD numbers display for the speed and there is still room for the gear indicator (but ok if not).

Though it didn't have a gear indicator, my 6th generation Honda VFR 800 had a digital speedometer and large analog tachometer, which was right in the middle of the dash. I never thought much about it, but it was perfect in my opinion. My Mazda MX-5 (aka Miata) has the tach right in the middle, too. That's where it should be on any vehicle with sporting intentions!

The Hack said:
Totally agree, I was planning to add the rev counter but after 18 months of riding I don't miss it at all and like the retro look of the single clock.

The only thing I miss is something to indicate I'm in 6th gear as I still sometimes try and shift to 7th when cruising...

This is one of the reasons I like having the second clock. Too often I was trying to upshift to another gear on the freeway, or trying to bang down to 1st coming to a stop then realized I was already in 1st. On my VFR, the neutral light would flash when downshifting from 2nd to 1st. I wish my BMW did that, then I wouldn't have been trying to downshift again when I was already in 1st.

I'd go on, but there's already at least one lengthy thread about the tachometer, aka rev counter.

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TimC

· #68 · Sep 15, 2021

I think the single clock on everything but the 'Classic' and the discontinued Racer is a cost saving move by BMW. Same the with the steel tank, cheaper fork, front brakes, etc. And that's fine. I knew what I was getting when I bought it. I wasn't sure I'd add the rev counter when I bought the bike, but a good opportunity to buy one cheaper than brand new from the dealer came up here on the forum. I took advantage of it and I'm happy with the results.

As for looks, while the simplicity of having that single clock is kind of cool, to me the dual clock setup looks great, too. So it's all good.

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