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Hi, needed to remove my shock to adjust height (too tight to do it with the shock in place) does anybody know the right torque for both the upper and lower screws ?
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LA2PDX,
Would you mind sharing who did the suspension tweaks for you either through post or PM? I live in Long Beach and could go to Encino for help.

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Hi, needed to remove my shock to adjust height (too tight to do it with the shock in place) does anybody know the right torque for both the upper and lower screws ?
Thanks for help!
56 Nm, clean the threads and use loctite. (OEM bolts have the micro-encapsulated locking stuff pre-applied)
 

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LA2PDX,
Would you mind sharing who did the suspension tweaks for you either through post or PM? I live in Long Beach and could go to Encino for help.

Thanks
Dave Moss is a well known suspension expert (founder of GP Suspension). You can Google Dave Moss Tuning to find his website. For a subscription fee, you can access many excellent videos on how to properly set up your suspension.

Moss will be at Pro Italia in Glendale on Saturday, October 28, to tune bikes. Riders can sign up with Pro Italia in advance to reserve a spot on the list. The cost is $50. You can also just show up and listen to his lecture on the importance of proper suspension and adjusting the entire bike to fit you.
 

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:hellno: Lol. I have to spend 30k+ € (15k for the bike and 15k for upgrades) to get a good handling bike? That ain't gonna happen I'm afraid. The Thruxton R is getting more tempting every day :unsure:
Thanks for the info.
Not so quick! In it’s stock form the 9T surpasses the Thruxton in power performance and handling. If you plan on a lot of track days or you are an extremely aggressive rider the stock suspension will take care of your needs. Of course, fine tuning to the the extent you can certainly helps. The new forks have preload, compression and rebound damping. The rear only has preload and compression. However it is not as bad as the previous answer implied. That being said an Ohlin shock upgrade will provide you with a superior unit, and you will become a faster rider. And yes, additions to your 9T are fun to do but most of them with a few exceptions are aesthetical considerations. Forged wheels OK more convenient if you are very prone to having a lot of flats. Personally I prefer the look of the stock laced wheels, after all, this is a retro designed bike. I have spent about 4000 on makeovers for my 9T and I am very happy with all the mods. Here is a list of my mods.
1. Daedalus tail tidy with integral parking, brake, and turn signals.
2. Rizoma front turn signals
3. Corbin gunfighter saddle
4. Clearwater running lights with amber lenses installed ( better visibility in daylight hours)
5. Oberon 60mm bar end mirrors
6. Roland Sands Brake and clutch cover reservoirs.
7. Roland Sands handlebar clamp.
8. Ohlin shock
9. Puig flyscreen
That’s about it. I am a rider of some 50 years now and have owned a lot of beemers. This is probably the last bike I will purchase and the mods I have made make this an awesome ride.
 

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Cash176 I completely agree. This statement you will need 30k is just ridiculous. Yes you can in my opinion spend that amount of money if you add every special and aftermarket product to your ride. But if you have any precent of intelligence aboard yourself, you will more than likely be smart about it and pick out the parts you need the most for your types of ride and need. Take this as your project and study every upgrade through, take pleasure in making your ride that little bit more special and custom. Thanks to people who started this Forum we now have a great source for all Info one might need on this bike. This was always a part of my plan for my dream bike 9T. I was always in love with that idea. I never leave anything stock in any form, 2 or 4 wheels. Because every product can be improved and made that little bit better and closer to perfection. This bike is a great product for people that know exactly what they love about riding, people who don't need the newest fastest in line 4 high strung machines. But still appreciate it is a modern machine and a fast and capable ride. So with some custom touches in their own way, they are building a perfect modern motorcycle with allo of character and style. And in my opinion cause I have riden both, Triumphs are great as well but no matter how improved latest models become, they are never going to be BMW. Don't forget this is a BMW. Take your time, take pleasure in it and study which Upgrades would do most for you. With a sum of 3 to 4000€, depending on what you pick, you can build a perfection in performance and looks. I love my 9T roadster and I enjoy every worm day I get to ride mine. I am still at the beginning of my custom build, studies through this winter. When spring comes I'll be ready to build my perfection. :cool::cool:
 

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Good info so far, but I'll offer the counterpoint that the suspension does not "need" to be upgraded. I have a 2014 with stock suspension (purchased it barely used 2 months ago and have put 4000 miles on already) and I find the bike to immensely fun and satisfying to ride, at all speeds. I've been riding for many years (former racer) and can more then keep up with equally experienced riders on higher-spec bikes (S1000RRs, etc) on fast B roads/canyons on my nineT. I'm working a little harder and I have to focus and concentrate a bit more, but to me that's what makes motorcycling fun.

I did lots of research before buying the bike and thought I'd certainly have to replace the suspension right away, but after actually riding the thing and learning how it wants to be ridden, that's just not the case. It's incredibly rewarding if you're smooth with brake and throttle application, but does not react well to abrupt inputs. It's forced me to re-learn good technique and I'm having a blast on it.

That said, I'll likely upgrade the springs and internal oil and valving soon, but I no longer plan to go out and spend thousands on an all new fork and shock.
I'm running th 2017 Racer on the track and enjoy your comments re stock suspension. In your opinion what is best or necessary suspension upgrade for intermediate track day ?
 

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Not so quick! In it’s stock form the 9T surpasses the Thruxton in power performance and handling. If you plan on a lot of track days or you are an extremely aggressive rider the stock suspension will take care of your needs. Of course, fine tuning to the the extent you can certainly helps. The new forks have preload, compression and rebound damping. The rear only has preload and compression. However it is not as bad as the previous answer implied. That being said an Ohlin shock upgrade will provide you with a superior unit, and you will become a faster rider. And yes, additions to your 9T are fun to do but most of them with a few exceptions are aesthetical considerations. Forged wheels OK more convenient if you are very prone to having a lot of flats. Personally I prefer the look of the stock laced wheels, after all, this is a retro designed bike. I have spent about 4000 on makeovers for my 9T and I am very happy with all the mods. Here is a list of my mods.
1. Daedalus tail tidy with integral parking, brake, and turn signals.
2. Rizoma front turn signals
3. Corbin gunfighter saddle
4. Clearwater running lights with amber lenses installed ( better visibility in daylight hours)
5. Oberon 60mm bar end mirrors
6. Roland Sands Brake and clutch cover reservoirs.
7. Roland Sands handlebar clamp.
8. Ohlin shock
9. Puig flyscreen
That’s about it. I am a rider of some 50 years now and have owned a lot of beemers. This is probably the last bike I will purchase and the mods I have made make this an awesome ride.
Upgrading your suspension isn’t only about being a faster track rider. I upgraded so that with my riding skill level I would have better control, or saying it another way the new suspension gave me a larger safety margin.


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Howdy folks,


It seems lots of people are upgrading the stock suspension on their bikes. Is it necessary only for pre-2017 versions or would new ones also benefit from it? If I'm not mistaken they changed the suspension in 2017, right? I'm just asking because I'm considering buying a R nine T and I'm trying to figure out what things I need extra so I know what budget I need for my bike. Thanks.
The stock suspension on your bike can always be improved, and is infact the single most beneficial upgrade you can make to the performance of your ride. In other words you can add hp to your bike but if your suspension sucks you won’t get there any quicker. Modern stock suspension especially on the new 9t is more than adequate especially for a new rider. Don’t worry about upgrades now, when that time comes you will know it.
 

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I get to ride a '15 RNineT and a '16 Thruxton R back to back all the time and they are really very different motorcycles. The boxer engine has its own characteristics which make it quite different from the parallel twin. You should ride both and buy the one that "appeals" to you. if you buy the RNineT, you will definitely want to update the suspension which would run approximately 2.5K USD...i have been researching Wilber vs. Ohlins and will likely go with Ohlins. Good thing my TTR doesn't read the RNineT forums so i can say without fear of retribution that i prefer the RNineT....even with the old shocks.
 

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I've been following all of these comments for a while as the rear shock on my R9T was driving me mad and to be honest it felt a bit dangerous even after several attempts to tune it...

I decided in the end to fit an M Shock 2 which is not shown on the list...But I contacted Mike at M Shock and he agreed that he could make me a bespoke shock for my weight with Preload, compression and rebound damping and we agreed to add 5 mm ride height to help with geometry....

Its a big improvement especially at higher speeds no more bone crunching and jarring over bumps and feels a lot more confident and encouraging a quicker pace...It needs some further fine tuning for slower speeds...I rang on the Monday, it was built on the Tuesday, shipped on the Wednesday, arrived Thursday and fitted Friday..

Using my Becker Technik stand and a jack under the front of the engine and swing arm to align the bolt holes in a controlled way it was fitted in around 30 mins..

That seemed very good to me and a bespoke shock for £450 sounded great..
 

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Hey all, I would like to resurrect this string with a new but similar question. Settings assigned, what is the advantage of going with a full front suspension and rear shock over properly weighted replacement springs and fork oil?

As you can imagine the price differential is significant, I've saved my pennies, so before I drop big money on a full front and rear upgrade, I want to make sure I've explored all options.

I'm riding an UGS 70% off tarmac on gravel roads, forrest roads ATV trails and sand pits. At 60 I'm not tearing up the country side, but can't avoid rocky inclines/declines, rutted muddy lanes and the occasional short drop.

Here are the two options I am considering:

Option 1: Ohlin FKS 211 Cartridge Kit for the front and Ohlin BM641suspension for the rear

Option 2: Touratech Progressive Fork & Shock Spring Kit

Your collective thoughts....
 

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Hey all, I would like to resurrect this string with a new but similar question. Settings assigned, what is the advantage of going with a full front suspension and rear shock over properly weighted replacement springs and fork oil?

As you can imagine the price differential is significant, I've saved my pennies, so before I drop big money on a full front and rear upgrade, I want to make sure I've explored all options.

I'm riding an UGS 70% off tarmac on gravel roads, forrest roads ATV trails and sand pits. At 60 I'm not tearing up the country side, but can't avoid rocky inclines/declines, rutted muddy lanes and the occasional short drop.

Here are the two options I am considering:

Option 1: Ohlin FKS 211 Cartridge Kit for the front and Ohlin BM641suspension for the rear

Option 2: Touratech Progressive Fork & Shock Spring Kit

Your collective thoughts....
Does the Touratech option indeed use a progressive spring? That rings a bell, and from the name it’s implying that it does.

So there’s your first consideration - do you want progressive or linear springs? (I believe Ohlins, Wilbers, and Nitron are linear, whereas K-Tech are progressive, if memory serves.) I Iike linear, but you might have a different preference, especially with your off-highway bias.

Beyond that, and to your original question, the advantage of going with a “full” suspension upgrade, especially on the front, is the possibility of gaining adjustability over compression and rebound damping, and preload, which a simple replacement of springs and fork oil couldn’t give you...
 

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Does the Touratech option indeed use a progressive spring? That rings a bell, and from the name it’s implying that it does.

So there’s your first consideration - do you want progressive or linear springs? (I believe Ohlins, Wilbers, and Nitron are linear, whereas K-Tech are progressive, if memory serves.) I Iike linear, but you might have a different preference, especially with your off-highway bias.

Beyond that, and to your original question, the advantage of going with a “full” suspension upgrade, especially on the front, is the possibility of gaining adjustability over compression and rebound damping, and preload, which a simple replacement of springs and fork oil couldn’t give you...
CO - I do lean towards the progressives, but the adjustability Is something I think I need given the inroad off-road nature of my riding.
This is really helpful feedback.

Cheers
 

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CO - I do lean towards the progressives, but the adjustability Is something I think I need given the inroad off-road nature of my riding.
This is really helpful feedback.

Cheers
Yes, adjustability is nice, unless you just happen to be in the sweet spot for how BMW set up the OEM suspension. But even then, there's no getting around the limitations of a conventional damper rod fork (which your UGS has). (RaceTech has some good information on their website, BTW: Emulators-How They Work .)

This of course is where cartridge inserts (or emulators) come in, which give you actual damping circuits.

Good luck!
 

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I have an OHLINS BM440 rear shock on my bike, installed by the original owner, and OE front fork internals. Both were professionally adjusted for my weight after I acquired the bike (the original owner was a good deal heavier than me) and that made a significant difference. Not many individuals would have access to the necessary specialist tools and/ or - much more importantly - to the required skills and experience to make an effective job of it, and my advice would always be to entrust it to a specialist suspension technician..

On my last motorcycle I decided to invest in a full installation, front and rear, of UK-made K-TECH components by a local and highly-regarded suspension guru. It cost me AUD$2100 all up, which also covered a bit of final tweaking and replacement of a slightly too-heavy front spring after I had ridden the bike for a while after the initial work was done. The difference made chalk and cheese, apples and oranges, and black and white seem identical. Talk about a magic-carpet ride!

Shortly after the job was done I took a 4400km circuit into Far North Queensland and back, along widely-varying grades and qualities of road-surfaces. Previously a cuppla hundred km would have been enough, but my K-TECH components gave me a plush, compliant, perfect ride. Highly recommended, without my having any connection to the brand or installer other than what I've written here.
 

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"Lawrence of Suburbia” - Agreed, suspension specialist is recommended. I’m interested in your experience with K-Tech. CO mentioned he thought they use progressive springs, my review of their site didn’t make it abundantly clear, I’m wondering if can confirm the type of springs on your setup.
 
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