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This makes me wonder, how are the diagnostic plugs on the 2016/2017 models secured? Anyone able to take the cover off and shoot a picture of how BMW does it on these models? Had I known about this I would have just looked at the ones on the showroom floor when I was there....
Sorry to hear about all the troubles. The 2017 diagnostics plug won't be of any help, as it is now the standard OBDII connector and is secured under the seat.
 

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Heck this is turning into a real saga! I hope this sorry tale comes to a satisfactory end for you soon!


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Sorry to hear about all the troubles. The 2017 diagnostics plug won't be of any help, as it is now the standard OBDII connector and is secured under the seat.
This explains a lot. I must have gotten the 2017 tank and as such has no need of a provision for the diagnostics clip. I have some ideas for a fix....

Well, with this knowledge I shall venture forth into contacting the Dealer and BMW.

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I must have gotten the 2017 tank and as such has no need of a provision for the diagnostics clip.
If the older tank is actually superceded by the new one (and they didn't just get the wrong tank...) BMW should have a means of dealing with things like the diagnostic plug. Unfortunately it sounds like it's time to pester the dealer and BMW some more.
 

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Well, Dealer and BMW contacted. Trying to sort out the diagnostic clip issue.

Clutch line looks to be leaking still.

While cleaning around that area I found that the lower securing screw for the evap canister bracket was loose. While tightening that I looked for other issues and found the muffler to subframe bolt almost completely out.

Nothing like the potential for a 9.5 pound flying metal projectile to soothe your frustrations. FFS.

I've taken it off the road until I can go completely over the bike to make sure I don't kill myself or someone else.
 

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Two weeks ago I took the 9T into a different dealership to address the instrument cluster wires breaking. They *HOPE* to have the repair pieces in hand some time next week. We're on track to take a full 3 weeks to repair some wires.

Again we have to wait on BMW Motorrad to have the needed parts to repair it.

Just waiting on August for Honda to drop the announcement of the 2018 model bikes to see if I wait or go ahead and trade this pile in on something else this year.

All total I think I've been without my 9T for a full quarter of the year plus a week or so.
 

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A lot of users seem to have good relationships with their dealerships and salesman. I hate going to any sort of car or bike dealer. Even if I am not shopping I still get the runaround and lies. To avoid dealerships, for the past 9 years I have only purchased and sold through private party and I do my own maintenance and repairs. Even if it's under warranty. I don't trust them. Dealerships sales and maintenance have caused me more trouble than good.
 

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Mr. Lee - It's sad to hear comments like this. It used to be that you stopped by the landmark dealers just to visit while you were on the road. There was always a hot cup of coffee, donuts or cookies, etc., and plenty of war stories to go with it. Ozzie's in Chico and Johnny's in Bakersfield come to mind. Johnny's is long gone now. Herwaldt BMW-Ducati-Indian-Triumph in Fresno is worth visiting if you dare go south of the boarder. If it's warm outside, you will be greeted and asked if you like a cold bottle of water as soon as you enter the doors. You can stop at Ozzie's on the way. Ozzie is in his mid 70s now and still racing BMWs.

There is another major dealer in our area that is working diligently on their "Motorcycle Culture" to be more involved in the local motorcycle community. Given the last sentence I'd like to think the situation is getting better but unfortunately many dealers have adopted the hard sell attitude of a Ford TO House (TO = turn over, turn the customer over to another salesman if you can't slam them today, then a manager or two, or three and throw the keys to the trade on the roof so the customer can't leave).

I believe what this comes down to is there are still some old school dealers out there that have integrity. They are either owned by older folks, or in the case of Herwaldt, the third generation of old school folks, complete with their values and customer care, or have a conscientious younger management team that care about decent values having been exposed to dealers like those mentioned above.
 

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There is another major dealer in our area that is working diligently on their "Motorcycle Culture" to be more involved in the local motorcycle community.

My dealer, the main BMW Motorrad dealer in Melbourne, is good. They hold monthly rides and host lots of other events too. No pressure to buy, but helpful when one shows interest.



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Sorry to hear this Alan but it echos experience here in the UK. I have many friends with BMWs and they are the least reliable bikes I've ever seen. Mine is corroding badly, rust on the frame and the swing arm is corroding from under the paint. Others have had coil packs and switch gear failures, K1300Ss usually need a new radiator by 30,000 miles, the list goes on whilst Jap bikes just go on and on as long as you change the oil and filters.

It's just fortunate that the boxer twin is one of the most enjoyable engines to have or I'd have sold it after just a few months.
 

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I am truly sorry to hear about anyone having trouble with their 9T, but the fact remains that the vast amount of people who buy them have no issues.

I have had 3 BMWs - R100RS, K75S and my current R nineT. All have been totally reliable. The first two were used for commuting in everything bar severe winter weather (had a car for that).

Any whilst I hate seeing anyone with bike problems, this forum isn't exactly groaning under the weight of angry owners complaining about how unreliable their boxers are.

Conversely, I had a Kawasaki GPZ 900R that was as unreliable as fook. Suspension badly corroded, engine camshafts replaced TWICE, radiator sprung a leak, coolant pipes failed, rear suspension bearings collapsed (!!!) and the seat ripped all in the space of 18 months from new. Japanese bikes aren't immune to issues. I ended up trading it in and cutting my losses! Other Kawasaki owners had no issues. Sometimes it's just bad luck... And possibly finish has improved since back then.

Regardless, I'm hoping you both find a way out of your 9T issues and wish you well.
 

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I am truly sorry to hear about anyone having trouble with their 9T, but the fact remains that the vast amount of people who buy them have no issues.

I have had 3 BMWs - R100RS, K75S and my current R nineT. All have been totally reliable. The first two were used for commuting in everything bar severe winter weather (had a car for that).

Any whilst I hate seeing anyone with bike problems, this forum isn't exactly groaning under the weight of angry owners complaining about how unreliable their boxers are.

Conversely, I had a Kawasaki GPZ 900R that was as unreliable as fook. Suspension badly corroded, engine camshafts replaced TWICE, radiator sprung a leak, coolant pipes failed, rear suspension bearings collapsed (!!!) and the seat ripped all in the space of 18 months from new. Japanese bikes aren't immune to issues. I ended up trading it in and cutting my losses! Other Kawasaki owners had no issues. Sometimes it's just bad luck... And possibly finish has improved since back then.

Regardless, I'm hoping you both find a way out of your 9T issues and wish you well.
I had a Ford Escort from the period your GPZ900 comes from and that wasn't very reliable either :)

If you look at modern BMWs they are badly made compared to the competition. Look at KTMs - very reliable but not stylish, just functional but you'd use one to go all over the world. Even my Suzuki V-Strom 1000 was bullet proof and no corrosion after 11 years, perfect paint and wheels looked like new. Yamaha - zero corrosion or repairs after 12 years and same for Honda. Only my BMW is corroding from the inside out :(

I'm currently looking for another bike to use for exploring the old military roads over the French/Italian Alps which have recently been opened to the public and I'm reluctant to buy another BMW despite the fact I'd love a R1200GS. Currently looking at KTMs simply for reliability.
 

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I'm currently looking for another bike to use for exploring the old military roads over the French/Italian Alps which have recently been opened to the public and I'm reluctant to buy another BMW despite the fact I'd love a R1200GS. Currently looking at KTMs simply for reliability.
... going by what my KTM-tragic-mates are telling me, they just about had enough of feeding $$$ into that Austrian maintenance-hungry pure-blooded hyperactive show pony .... lol. Seriously though, frequent rebuilds, oil sump & pump problems, chain/sprocket wear, scarce dealership woes, high parts & service costs .... nah, Beemers are more like well proven tractors, jugging along, getting you there without moaning. I like that.
 

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... going by what my KTM-tragic-mates are telling me, they just about had enough of feeding $$$ into that Austrian maintenance-hungry pure-blooded hyperactive show pony .... lol. Seriously though, frequent rebuilds, oil sump & pump problems, chain/sprocket wear, scarce dealership woes, high parts & service costs .... nah, Beemers are more like well proven tractors, jugging along, getting you there without moaning. I like that.
Yeah, "KTM road bikes" and "reliability" don't belong in the same sentence.
 

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Another update....

Took right at 3 weeks to repair the instrument cluster wiring. Looks pretty ratty now compared to original. Meh, as long as it works and survives I suppose. I'm not sitting in the garage staring at that part of the bike intently every night.

Also, in the last week I've been "stranded" twice when it decided to throw an EWS error. Nothing has changed other than the fixes to the wiring, I don't carry any new keys and the only key on the ring for the bike is the BMW key and the seat key which shouldn't be chipped and has been on the same ring since new.

To get it to start I cycle the key off, then back on again. Then the button will respond and start the bike.

Dealer is ordering in a new antenna for the immobilizer and wants to try and diagnose it while I wait rather than dropping it off and leaving it.

On another note... just for giggles I was looking at trading it in and the dealer offered me roughly half of what I paid for the bike originally two years ago. I realize they expect to make money but It's had all of it's services, just came out of their own bay, I just put new tires on it..... Detail it and drop it on the lot. So much for resale value?

I got a chance to ride a 2017 R1200R and 2016 Thruxton 1200R. The R1200R isn't anything like the R NineT. Very disconnected from the rider inputs, you can tell there is a computer between your hand and the engine, no matter what mode it's in. The quick shifter was cool though.

On a positive note, the Thruxton 1200R is a sweet sweet ride. Not sure it's exactly for me but I wouldn't turn down a free one. Engine was very smooth and torquey (still impressive and enough to get in trouble with, even if it feels less powerful than the BMW), brakes phenomenal, handled well.... only critique would be the seat, which is easy to change, and the gauge cluster. The indicator lights were hard to read in the daylight and the bright finish is blinding when the sun is over your shoulder.
 

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Another update....

I got a chance to ride a 2017 R1200R and 2016 Thruxton 1200R. The R1200R isn't anything like the R NineT. Very disconnected from the rider inputs, you can tell there is a computer between your hand and the engine, no matter what mode it's in. The quick shifter was cool though.

On a positive note, the Thruxton 1200R is a sweet sweet ride. Not sure it's exactly for me but I wouldn't turn down a free one. Engine was very smooth and torquey (still impressive and enough to get in trouble with, even if it feels less powerful than the BMW), brakes phenomenal, handled well.... only critique would be the seat, .

Sorry about all these problems. I agree about the R1200R, I had a very similar reaction to it on a couple of long test rides.

I didn't take to the Thruxton R as well as you. Found the same disconnection from the computer. But, yes, lively and fun.





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Hello Allan, the saga is repeating, as my post on my failing R9T shows:
 
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