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Perhaps we don't hate the new edition RnineT 2024 after all?
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Possibly, but the nineT's first generation ran for 10 model years. That's an eternity in the motor vehicle world. (The Triumph Bonneville notwithstanding.
) They were still selling, but at some point in any vehicle's run you have to either redesign it or just drop it from your lineup.To be honest, I'm just glad they brought out a new generation of the bike. It would have been easy to drop it, given they never sold a ton of R9Ts compared to their better selling models, and especially considering ever-tightening emissions regulations.
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The thing that gets me though, is that normally when a new model of motor vehicle is released, some significant changes are made to improve the ride, handling, power, acceleration etc, whereas in this case it seems like more a change for changes sake and mainly just aesthetic changes (and i'd argue a move in the wrong direction for the functional changes - but that's just because I personally wanted to see some performance improvements, which, granted, is not the case for many who buy/ride the 9T).Possibly, but the nineT's first generation ran for 10 model years. That's an eternity in the motor vehicle world. (The Triumph Bonneville notwithstanding.
To be honest, I'm just glad they brought out a new generation of the bike. It would have been easy to drop it, given they never sold a ton of R9Ts compared to their better selling models, and especially considering ever-tightening emissions regulations.
Now, if they released a "Final Edition" 9T, with the racer cowl, lightweight forged alloy or carbon wheels, Ohlins front and back, more agressive geometry, lightened up engine internals for quicker revving, lightweight parts to bring weight below 200kg wet, and tasteful splashes of carbon and 719 billet parts, at a reasonable price, i'd be absolutely salivating and super super super tempted to pick one up.
I like the kick start. But back then (abt 70 years ago) you needed color to stand out. For BMW red is a distraction.
I don't disagree with any of that. If there's any single component that needed an upgrade on the new generation bike, it's the rear shock. It would have been nice to see some more power, but I'm guessing this is about the best they can do without going to a liquid-cooled mill.
I think the anniversary edition R9T was as close to a 'Final Edition' as we were going to get. A loaded bike like you described would have been truly special, but also probably cost $30K+ USD, and BMW would have sold a handful of them, making it not worth it to the company to even produce them. 😕
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I haven't ridden either but sat on both today. They feel like very different bikes. I'll let others debate differences in appearance.
The '24 12 Nine T (BMW has to clean that up at some point. Too clever by half) feels a little softer with stock suspension set to stock settings, unles the "lowering" of the '23 stiffened it a bit. The seat in the 24 is better.
The twin guages are a welcome step away from retro... It's valuable information. The snorkle is gone, don't miss it.
I've been told by those who've ridden both in the last few days that the shifting is smoother with the '24, and power comes on with more finesse. I believe them.
Price? I can buy the new '23 for about $8,000 less than the optioned up '24.
Ouch. That's real money for me. Part of that difference is the BMW discount through financing, part of it may be the dealer is willing to absorb the depreciation on a year-old bike to make room for the new ones.
Different bikes, new trade-offs. Great to have a choice.
The '24 12 Nine T (BMW has to clean that up at some point. Too clever by half) feels a little softer with stock suspension set to stock settings, unles the "lowering" of the '23 stiffened it a bit. The seat in the 24 is better.
The twin guages are a welcome step away from retro... It's valuable information. The snorkle is gone, don't miss it.
I've been told by those who've ridden both in the last few days that the shifting is smoother with the '24, and power comes on with more finesse. I believe them.
Price? I can buy the new '23 for about $8,000 less than the optioned up '24.
Ouch. That's real money for me. Part of that difference is the BMW discount through financing, part of it may be the dealer is willing to absorb the depreciation on a year-old bike to make room for the new ones.
Different bikes, new trade-offs. Great to have a choice.
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I do wonder what BMW could actually price a bike like that though, given large(ish) order volumes and minimal development overhead (vs designing a whole new model and setting up production etc to suit). I think closer to 20k usd than 30k.
Oh, and as for my comparison to a R1250R/RS, I borrowed one today while they sync'd my throttle bodies today and the 9T is a much more special bike (and therefore better value) despite the lower tech/development overheads. Just higher quality to my eye.
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I saw one today at the dealer. The green paint is nice .. other than that its more of the same'
I saw the Standard and the Cruiser model for the first time today. I am not impressed at all, the standard is to junked up with factory trinkets that make it look like a Honda or other Asian brands, the Cruiser looks like an already unpopular R 18 model with less HP and more crap to deal with and fewer simplicity items. I took my '18 UGS out for a spin today and had a blast, I'm glad I got the full line of the Are 9 TEE models before they screwed them up. Can I convert my 40th GS model to cable throttle?
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Just saw a new R12 in green @ the local dealer.Much better in person than I expected.
For my taste it does not even need much of a tail tidy, like the last 3 9T’s that I bought.
And the half paint & polished tank is very nicely done…. Just saying
Just saw a new R12 in green @ the local dealer.Much better in person than I expected.
For my taste it does not even need much of a tail tidy, like the last 3 9T’s that I bought.
And the half paint & polished tank is very nicely done…. Just saying
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You didn't buy it?
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If I thought someone wanted my 40 year, urban GS with only900mi.
it certainly is tempting
If I thought someone wanted my 40 year, urban GS with only900mi.
it certainly is tempting
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Why did you even buy the GS in the first place if not to ride?
If the new bike had the GS1300 motor and liquid cooling I could have been tempted along with things like CC, QS and LED lights but as is with the money I've put into mine I have no interest. One I'm leaning towards getting now is a Ducati 848. Hoping one eventually gets traded in at my local dealers so I can try it first.
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That sounds much more like an R1300R - which i'm sure will be released at some point. R9T should be lower tech / minimal electronics and ancillaries.
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I like the new bike (hate the dinky 'upgraded' dash) but I don't love it. I've seen it in the flesh. It just looks like a very well put-together machine, but it lacks the distinctive wow factor that hit me when I first beheld the absolute standout R NineT. I love the original's visible, 'messy; construction towards the rear that the new bike hides with a side panel, making it look much more conventional.
Here's MCN's Neevesy damning the 12 with faint praise (apologies if I've already posted this). It's an interesting review: part repetition of the BMW PR, but also a subtle suggestion that not much has changed -- yes, it's still a great bike but it didn't need to be reinvented. Also an original line on why they changed the frame -- not so much for improved performance as for cheaper manufacture.
Here's MCN's Neevesy damning the 12 with faint praise (apologies if I've already posted this). It's an interesting review: part repetition of the BMW PR, but also a subtle suggestion that not much has changed -- yes, it's still a great bike but it didn't need to be reinvented. Also an original line on why they changed the frame -- not so much for improved performance as for cheaper manufacture.
The main problem I have is this:
2024 R 12 nineT
As shown $28,376 MSRP
Base model $16,295 MSRP
I love the retro vibe of mine and I understand having analog clocks, the air/oil cooled motor but then it needs to be cheaper. Perhaps they will offer a R 12 nineT pure in the future to fit below the standard. I think what I was trying to communicate and failing at was for me to warrant that price bump it needed a more substantial update of the powertrain.
There are no retro styled motorcycles making decent power except the MV Agusta Superveloce. I just want retro cool style with modern performance.
2024 R 12 nineT
As shown $28,376 MSRP
Base model $16,295 MSRP
I love the retro vibe of mine and I understand having analog clocks, the air/oil cooled motor but then it needs to be cheaper. Perhaps they will offer a R 12 nineT pure in the future to fit below the standard. I think what I was trying to communicate and failing at was for me to warrant that price bump it needed a more substantial update of the powertrain.
There are no retro styled motorcycles making decent power except the MV Agusta Superveloce. I just want retro cool style with modern performance.
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Yeah, I agree. It would have been nice to see some performance improvements (better suspension, forged wheel option, lighter engine internals/bump in power), but I guess BMW decided that a new look would get more new prospective owners than better performance. So, unless you love the look, there is nothing objectively better (and some aspects arguably worse) about the new bike. But, if you don't already have an R9T, it is still no doubt a nice bike that many people will love and buy. I think that we need to start looking at this as a whole new bike, not a successor to, and making comparisons with, the R9T. Taken on its own it's still likely a brilliant bike.
Cheers, Dom
Not far back the governments tried restricting motorcycles to an agreed 100 bhp due to their license and jail time road performance.
108 bhp is not slow and I regularly outpace 180+ bhp super nakeds and plastic rockets on the roads around me. On the straights in the real world the differences in performance is marginal. There are not many peeps - I used to but no more - that would do 140+ mph on country roads with traffic.
When I put the R9 on full chat I’m in jail territory in 7 seconds. Sure my GSXR 1000 would shave a second or two off of that and continue rocketing to 192 on a straight but straights are not my idea of motorcycle heaven.
I don’t see BMW being about to increase power without significant engine changes to meet emission. Air cool would have to go. The bike would no longer have that distinction.
I understand the benefits of better suspension but I’ve never been slower than someone on a bike dripping in Ohlins against stock suspension. Perhaps I’m a Luddite.
Horses for courses I suppose.
108 bhp is not slow and I regularly outpace 180+ bhp super nakeds and plastic rockets on the roads around me. On the straights in the real world the differences in performance is marginal. There are not many peeps - I used to but no more - that would do 140+ mph on country roads with traffic.
When I put the R9 on full chat I’m in jail territory in 7 seconds. Sure my GSXR 1000 would shave a second or two off of that and continue rocketing to 192 on a straight but straights are not my idea of motorcycle heaven.
I don’t see BMW being about to increase power without significant engine changes to meet emission. Air cool would have to go. The bike would no longer have that distinction.
I understand the benefits of better suspension but I’ve never been slower than someone on a bike dripping in Ohlins against stock suspension. Perhaps I’m a Luddite.
Horses for courses I suppose.
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Of course the 9T doesn't 'need' more power for the road and is capable of keeping up with most anything else, but that doesn't mean a little more power and torque wouldn't be nice to have - I wouldn't turn down more power, can you honestly say you'd refuse a free 5-10% power upgrade? The suspension isn't bad out of the box but doesn't perform as well as higher end gear, and the difference can definitely be felt on bumpy mountain roads. More aggressive geometry also helps, and light weight wheels altogether transform the bike. The point I / we were making, was that the new bike is simply an aesthetic change and "slightly" less "performance" oriented. So if you don't love the new look (and many do love it), there's nothing to get excited about vs the 9T. That's all.
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